Part Three of a 3-part series with Josh Drean.

Josh isn’t here to tweak the old system—he’s here to build a new one. In this final chapter, the Work3 Institute co-founder and co-author of Employment is Dead goes deep on what it actually takes to evolve.

Vince and Josh tackle the hard stuff: Are degrees still relevant in a skills-first world? How does blockchain flip the hiring process? What if your next “employee” is actually a DAO participant with token voting power? And what happens to companies who still think Zoom fatigue is the biggest problem facing the future of work?

If your HR strategy still lives in a Word doc, this episode is your sign to evolve—or get left behind.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Degrees vs. Skills: Why the Shift Is Happening Now

“Degrees used to guarantee employment. Not anymore. Employers are waking up—skills win.”

The Truth About Ivy League Pedigree

“At Harvard, the education’s fine—but it’s the connections that count. That’s the real ROI of the degree.”

AI Has Already Broken the Hiring Process

“You’ve got AI writing job descriptions, AI writing résumés, and AI screening candidates. Humans barely touch the funnel anymore.”

Blockchain and the Rise of the Verifiable Résumé

“With blockchain, we don’t have to trust you—we already know. Your digital wallet becomes your skills passport.”

DAO 101: Flattening Hierarchies and Sharing Power

“A DAO lets frontline workers vote on strategy, not just execute it. It’s work by consensus, not command.”

Why Micromanagers Should Be Nervous

“We don’t need six layers of oversight. Tech lets teams self-govern and move faster—with less drama.”

The Gen Z Warning Shot

“Gen Z isn’t lazy—they’re just not buying the 9-to-5. If you don’t offer autonomy and impact, they’ll leave.”

Spotify’s Win: Let Work Fit Life, Not the Other Way Around

“Companies like Spotify get it—flexibility, rhythm, and respect lead to loyalty.”

From Analog to AI: Vince’s Gen X Reflection

“We learned on Lotus, adapted to Excel, and now manage in the age of ChatGPT. Tech is the bridge, not the barrier.”

Final Advice for Employers: Evolve or Be Replaced

“Change isn’t optional. Either reshape your workplace—or get ready to lose your best people to the ones who did.”

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