
Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast The Gamification of Our World with C. Thi Nguyen
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Jan 27, 2026 C. Thi Nguyen, a philosophy professor and author of The Score who studies games and play, explores how scoring and metrics have seeped into work and life. He explains why we keep score, how metrics can replace richer values, and the difference between playing to win and playing for the joy of struggle. The conversation looks at historical roots of quantification and practical ways to resist value capture.
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When Metrics Replace Rich Values
- Value capture happens when rich, subtle values are replaced by simplified, quantified versions.
- The simplified metric can take over and drown the original values in many domains.
Philosophy Career Hijacked By Rankings
- C. Thi Nguyen recounts becoming obsessed with academic status metrics in grad school.
- He wrote philosophy that bored him to chase journal and department rankings, which made him miserable.
The Trade-Off Of Portable Metrics
- Metrics trade nuance for portability and aggregation across contexts.
- Their strength (clarity across contexts) is inseparable from their cost (loss of nuance).






