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Center for AI Policy Podcast

#10: Stephen Casper on Technical and Sociotechnical AI Safety Research

Aug 2, 2024
Stephen Casper, a PhD student at MIT specializing in AI safety, dives into the intricacies of AI interpretability and the looming challenges of deceptive alignment. He explains the subtle complexities behind unobservable failures in AI systems, emphasizing the importance of robust evaluations and audits. The discussion also touches on Goodhart's law, illustrating the risks of prioritizing profit over societal well-being, as well as the pressing need for effective governance alongside AI advancements.
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Quick takeaways

  • AI systems face observable and unobservable failures, necessitating a focus on non-standard machine learning research to address complex issues.
  • Interpretability research must prioritize practical applications to enhance engineers' understanding of AI systems and ensure safer deployment.

Deep dives

Understanding AI Failures

AI systems can experience two types of failures: observable failures, which developers can detect through testing and red teaming, and unobservable failures, which are harder to identify and often missed during development. Observable failures can be addressed using standard machine learning techniques, as they can be discovered through typical evaluation processes. In contrast, unobservable failures can involve subtle biases or deceptive alignments that make them challenging to surface. This distinction highlights the limitations of current AI development practices, emphasizing the need for research focused on non-standard machine learning problems.

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