Lesley Arfin, known for Love, Girls, and Dear Diary, talks with Sean about the movie Permanent Midnight. They discuss addiction, sobriety, identity, and the challenges of working in showrooms. They also reflect on personal experiences with drug addiction and discuss the importance of anonymity in recovery programs. The speakers explore the tension between commercial success and artistic integrity, reflect on past ego-driven behavior, and discuss the fear and allure of starting a real relationship. They also touch on attitudes in meetings, childhood trauma, addiction as a disease, character manipulation, and experiences in the labor and delivery room.