My guest today is Derek Chiang, CEO of ZeroDev. ZeroDev is a smart account provider whose SDK makes it easy for app devs to integrate social authentication, Passkey signers, paymaster gas sponsorships, transaction bundling, and third party plugins.

In this conversation, Derek and I discuss 4337 in depth from the perspective of the app dev. We talk about the difference between wallet signer providers and smart contract account providers, how to choose between the many smart account implementations, and which transactions to sponsor. Derek also shares some alpha about an upcoming product that will synchronize smart account state across chains.

It was a pleasure talking to Derek in this wide ranging and detailed conversation about 4337 in practice. I hope you enjoy the show.

As always, this show is provided as entertainment and does not constitute legal, financial, or tax advice or any form of endorsement or suggestion. Crypto has risks and you alone are responsible for doing your research and making your own decisions.

Links

• Hosted by @nnnnicholas
• Derek Chiang
• ZeroDev Docs and Blog
• ZeroDev's Passkey Demo
• Kernel Github
• ZeroDev's EF Grant
• 62% of deployed smart accounts (Sept 23)
• BundleBear AA adoption stats
• Web3Auth
• Eternal, Derek's last startup

Chapters

(00:00:00) Intro (00:01:11) Distributed systems (00:06:20) Twitch clip NFTs and Eternal (00:09:40) ZeroDev's origins (00:15:30) UX Advantages of AA (00:21:30) ZeroDev's Kernel 4337 account implementation (00:23:30) ZeroDev adoption (00:26:00) ZeroDev and Privy and other signers (00:30:15) CTO Taek Lee (00:32:30) How should app devs choose a smart account provider? (00:35:50) EIP-3074 vs EIP-4337 (00:38:55) Adoption and applications (00:42:55) Social signers (00:46:50) Passkeys cross-app (00:49:10) Account Central (00:53:55) EIP-7212 (00:57:20) Gas sponsorship (01:01:09) Multichain Smart Accounts (01:04:30) Address consistency across chains (01:09:36) Pricing (01:13:35) Session Keys (01:17:15) Plugins (01:21:00) Outro