Gary is joined by former Tottenham and England defender Gary Stevens, who discusses being released by Sir Bobby Robson and then playing under him at the World Cup in 1986. As a pro license coach, he talks about the value of enjoyment and adapting his philosophy when he coached in Thailand. And finally, they talk about how difficulty the journey can be for a coach today and how looking after your own well-being is just as important as tactics or training sessions. This culture podcast is brought to you by WorldStrides Excel.