The second series of the CBC/BBC podcast The Con focuses on Kaitlyn Braun, who hoodwinked many doulas into believing she was pregnant. Hannah's talking to the writer, producer and host of Kaitlyn's Baby, Sarah Treleaven, about the hows and why of this extraordinary case, the harm it's done, and why it's often harder to persuade people they've been conned than it is to con them.

You can listen to Kaitlyn's Baby on BBC Sounds here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/w13xtvq7

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Sarah Treleaven on The Con