Things we talked about:

The way multi-faceted careers can feel piecemeal (especially if parenting is added into the mix), or “like I’m doing five different jobs at once”
Factoring in time to play as well as work
Exploring your home town like a holiday destination
Taking things home from real holidays that you might not expect (like appreciating the simple things, family meals, all your possessions in one suitcase)
Avoiding habits of consuming everything and creating nothing
Making connections on Twitter (Lisa says, “I engage with people because I love it”)
Pondering the idea that the Internet means we don’t get bored any more, and what that means
On making things happen (Lisa was waiting for a radio job offer but it didn’t come, so she started a podcast)
“People say you’re brave putting yourself out there, but I’m more afraid of not doing it”
The importance of perseverance, and regularly doing the thing you fear (until you don’t fear it any more)
We had a frank conversation about money. Despite living an outwardly glamorous life, Lisa says, “I don’t earn enough”
Becoming an “accidental landlady”: her unexpected foray into property investment to build financial security
We talked about the way women often hide our realities, keeping everything from messy kitchens to miscarriage behind closed doors
Everything has to start with just two views. Even the most viral video of all time had only two views at some point.
And finally, the possibly-surprising-but-then-probably-not location that Lisa chose when I asked her about her favourite place in the whole world

Where to find Lisa:

On Twitter she's @lfnand
On Instagram she's @lisafrancesca_nand and @thebigtravelpodcast
Her podcast: The Big Travel Podcast

The meditation app Sara mentioned:

Waking Up

Where to find Sara:

Sara on Substack
Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
Sara's charity Christmas cards
Me and Orla 2023 Calendar
Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
One to one business coaching with Sara
The Insta Retreat

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