Welcome back to another episode of the DER Task Force podcast. This time, we sat down with Andy Frank, co-founder and President of Sealed. In the episode, we talk about:

* (0:00) Intros, opening quote

* (4:27) Sealed elevator pitch

* (6:48) Getting DER-pilled (and allergic reactions), Andy’s 20-year plan

* (19:28) What’s so great about heat pumps anyway? And are they really DERs?

* (30:12) Driving heat pump adoption, moving from services to solutions, NIMBYism + soft costs

* (44:12) Electrifying in a utility’s world, command and control vs distributed solutions

* (53:03) Performance-based regulation is not beer, the need for regulated monopolies in the utility space

* (56:26) Using incentives to drive change, the mismatch between what the grid needs and what the utility can build

* (1:07:05) Crazy idea: Scale Microgrids x Sealed to skirt utility regulation + interconnection delays, making markets work better

* (1:13:29) Energy czar of America, bipartisan climate solutions

* (1:22:16) Dope or nope?

* (1:24:55) Biiiiig shouts

* (1:28:55) Bonus big shouts!!

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