With Sweden officially becoming a NATO member, Ola Tunander returns to discuss the subject, with reference to his landmark article on the NATO deep state in Sweden. Entitled, “Dual State: The Case of Sweden,” this article was published in The Dual State: Parapolitics, Carl Schmitt and the National Security Complex.

Ola Tunander is Research Professor Emeritus with the Peace Research Institute in Oslo. He earned his doctoral degree in 1989 with a thesis on US Maritime Strategy. He has written and edited 15 books on geopolitics, military strategy and European security, submarine warfare, and deception operations (aka psychological operations).

Also, please subscribe to Ola’s Substack where you can check out these additional excellent articles by Ola Tunander:

• The Concept of the Deep State (This one discusses his recent discussions on American Exception with Peter Dale Scott and Aaron)
• Democratic State vs. Deep State: Part I (His classic article the deep state of the West)
• “An Underwater U-2”: Part I (Important work on the Swedish version of the strategy of tension, psychological operations which in the Swedish case involved submarine warfare)
• After Seymour Hersh’s article (His article on the Nord Stream bombing)

Special thanks to Dana Chavarria for the sound engineering!

Music: "Hawks Can Go” by Mock Orange