The Counsel of Trent #1090 - Responding to Gavin Ortlund on the Papacy
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Oct 22, 2025 A fascinating debate unfolds as Trent counters Gavin Ortlund's assertion that the papacy is not divinely instituted. He delves into scripture, challenging Protestant views with insights from the Gospels and Acts, emphasizing Peter's unique role and authority. The discussion highlights early church writings and leaders like Clement and Ignatius, underscoring Rome's preeminent status. Trent also navigates complex primacy debates, providing a compelling case for apostolic succession and the enduring significance of the papacy throughout history.
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Burden Of Proof Cuts Both Ways
- Trent Horn argues you must compare competing authority claims, not just dismiss Catholic arguments because they don't convince you.
- He urges Protestants to carry their own burden of proof rather than winning by default when Catholics fail to persuade them.
No Early 'Freak Out' Over Bishops
- Joe Heschmeyer notes nobody in early church history reacted as if bishops were an illegitimate innovation.
- This lack of 'freak out' suggests continuity in ordained offices from the apostles onward.
Gospel Data Favors A Chief Pastor
- Horn frames an 'apples-to-apples' test: does data better support a chief pastor or no chief pastor?
- He finds gospel passages (e.g., Matthew 16, John 21, Luke 22) make more sense if Peter is a chief pastor.
