Alister McGrath, author and theologian, discusses pleasure, gender, and sex in the novel Perelandra. Topics include the nature of pleasure, Lewis' use of the term 'transsexual,' and the exploration of gender roles in the book.
Pleasure in 'Perelandra' is neither inherently good nor bad, but our response to it is crucial.
Gender roles and cultural expectations should not necessarily define relationships in 'Perelandra'.
Deep dives
Heightened Pleasure in Perelandra
In the podcast episode, the focus is on the concept of pleasure in C.S. Lewis's book 'Perelandra'. The protagonist, Ransom, describes experiencing pleasure unlike anything he has felt before upon arriving on the planet. The discussion explores whether the pleasure in this world is heightened or if it is simply a different kind of pleasure. The question arises whether pleasure is morally neutral or can lead to both good and bad outcomes. The idea is raised that repeating a pleasurable experience may lead to disappointment or a different, potentially detrimental form of pleasure. Although Lewis does not provide a clear answer, he emphasizes the importance of our response to pleasure, suggesting that pleasure itself is neither inherently good nor bad.
Exploring Relationships beyond Gender
Another topic raised in the episode revolves around gender and relationships in 'Perelandra'. Lewis poses the question of whether attraction and connection between individuals should be exclusively linked to gender or if there is a possibility for different forms of attraction. He does not provide a definite answer but suggests that gender roles and cultural expectations may not necessarily define the nature of relationships. Lewis challenges the notion that gender determines prescribed social roles and encourages a reevaluation of the concept of gender in the context of relationships. However, he does not fully explore the implications or offer a clear resolution on the topic.
Gender Roles and Cultural Conditioning
The discussion delves into Lewis's exploration of gender roles and cultural conditioning in 'Perelandra'. Lewis raises the issue of masculinity and the societal expectations associated with it. He questions the role models assigned to men and women and suggests that these roles can be detached or reinterpreted. The focus is not on gender identity but rather on the cultural and social expectations associated with gender. Lewis proposes that the cultural judgment of gender can be redefined and that roles traditionally attributed to specific genders should be more thoroughly examined. However, Lewis does not provide a comprehensive explanation or specifically address contemporary discussions around gender identity.
We continue our conversation on Perelandra, with Alister McGrath reflecting on questions around pleasure, gender and sex. What is gender? Is pleasure always erotic? What did Lewis mean by "transsexual" in this novel?
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