Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Bruce Damer and Charlie Grob Terence McKenna's logo, Bruce Damer's flight suit, Lorenzo and Charlie Grob PROGRAM NOTES: These lectures were recorded on Orcas Island during March of 2019.] This podcast features two interviews that I conducted last March at the Orcas Island Convergence. The first is a conversation that I had with Dr. Bruce Damer, and that is followed by my interview with Dr. Charlie Grob. Between them, their scientific inquiries span a wide range of inquiries. Bruce, with his work for NASA and his research into the origins of life, works with mega issues. And Charlie, whose human research work includes studies using MDMA, psilocybin, and ayahuasca, works with human-sized issues. "I think a lot of people don't realize it, but in the fifties and into the early sixties psychedelic research was the cutting edge of psychiatry." -Dr. Charles Grob Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option Bruce Damer's Website Bruce Damer's Patreon Page Charlie Grob - Publications Download free copies of Lorenzo's latest books