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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2295 - Scott Payne

Mar 27, 2025
Scott Payne, a retired FBI Special Agent with 28 years of experience, shares gripping insights into his undercover work infiltrating extremist groups, including neo-Nazis. He discusses the intense challenges faced by undercover operatives, from drug buys to navigating complex social dynamics within biker gangs. Payne highlights the psychological toll of high-pressure situations and the moral dilemmas encountered on the job. His riveting stories delve into the dark corners of society and the urgent need for empathy and mental health support for law enforcement personnel.
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  • Scott Payne recounts his transformation from a law school aspirant to a dedicated undercover agent influenced by criminal justice films and mentorship.
  • He details the historical origins of biker gangs post-World War II, highlighting how veterans formed these secretive groups for community support.

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Undercover Beginnings

The narrator recounts his journey into undercover work, which began after discovering a passion for criminal justice during college. Initially aspiring to be a lawyer, he quickly realized his blunt honesty wouldn't align with the profession. After serving three years in uniform patrol, he expressed a strong interest in undercover work, fueled by inspiration from films and a mentor with undercover experience in biker gangs. This shift led to a career spanning 25 years infiltrating various organizations, including the Klan and neo-Nazi groups.

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