Jon Venables was ten years old when he and another boy tortured and killed two year old James Bulger. He’s now been refused parole on his imprisonment for a separate charge. So how did he end up here? Did he get a fair trial in the first place? And are we getting it right when it comes to our treatment of children who kill?

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Guest: David James Smith, Sunday Times contributor and author of The Sleep of Reason: The James Bulger Case.

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What happened to the boy who killed James Bulger