The Bulwark Podcast Stephanie Ruhle and Tom Saenz: Why Aren't People Freaking Out?
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Sep 10, 2025 
Stephanie Ruhle, a seasoned journalist and MSNBC host, joins Tom Saenz, civil rights expert and leader at MALDEF, to discuss the alarming disconnect between corporate America and political accountability. They explore the ramifications of recent Supreme Court rulings on ICE's racial profiling and critique the hypocrisy of wealthy CEOs' responses to political pressure. Ruhle and Saenz also delve into the murky ties between elite figures and controversial narratives, emphasizing the urgent need for more meaningful dialogue around civil liberties and economic ethics.
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Epstein Built A Hidden Network For The Powerful
- Stephanie Ruhle argues Epstein created a private network that enabled powerful men to access young women and evade scrutiny.
- She says PR teams' silence on grotesque content suggests participants were deeply complicit.
Media Caution Stems From Real Legal Risk
- Ruhle says journalists are cautious because a hostile White House threatens legal and financial retaliation.
- She frames caution as survival, not cowardice, given existential risks to news organizations.
Huge Revisions Signal Economic Disruption
- Big revisions to BLS employment figures signal major structural shifts, not mere statistical noise.
- Ruhle warns markets can misread volatile data and that businesses face planning disruptions.