Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Joscha Bach Λ Ben Goertzel: Conscious Ai, LLMs, AGI

Oct 17, 2023

Joscha Bach, an expert in consciousness and AI, teams up with Ben Goertzel, a pioneer in artificial general intelligence, to explore the depths of AI and consciousness. They discuss the challenges and limitations of large language models and the paradox of consciousness during anesthesia. Their conversation delves into philosophical implications of AGI, hybrid architectures for enhanced AI creativity, and the potential societal impacts of superintelligent AI, raising thought-provoking questions about our future with technology and the nature of awareness.

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Joscha Bach

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The difference between raw experience and reflective awareness in consciousness and its relevance to AGI development.

The limitations of large language models (LLMs) in mimicking the complexity of the human mind.

The timeline and potential path from human-level AGI to superintelligence, including risks, ethical considerations, and the need for global cooperation.

The societal implications of widespread job displacement, economic inequality, and the trade-offs between rapid AGI development and safety measures/ethical considerations.

Deep dives

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Expanding Dimensions and Limitless Capabilities of AI Training Data

01:40

Metaphysical Categories Defined by Charles Peirce

01:16

Effects of Anesthesia on Consciousness and Pain Perception

01:16

Multiple Traditions in Artificial Intelligence

01:43

Intro

4min

Convergence of Minds in AGI

13min

Exploring Consciousness and Programming

26min

The Paradox of Anesthesia and Consciousness

8min

Exploring Consciousness and AI Potential

16min

Exploring Large Language Models: Capabilities and Limitations

24min

Navigating the Future of AI and Humanity

22min

Reflections on Humanity's Future and Consciousness

2min

Critiquing Theories of Consciousness and Philosophical Discourse

5min

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7omaQ8SgA

Joscha Bach meets with Ben Goertzel to discuss cognitive architectures, AGI, and conscious computers in another theolocution on TOE.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

- OpenCog (Ben's Ai company): https://opencog.org

- SingularityNET (Ben's Decentralized Ai company): https://singularitynet.io

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI

- Podcast w/ Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/27zHyw_oHSI

- Podcast w/ Michael Levin and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A

- Podcast w/ John Vervaeke and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4

- Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww

TIMESTAMPS:

- 00:00:00 Introduction

- 00:02:23 Computation vs Awareness

- 00:06:11 The paradox of language and self-contradiction

- 00:10:05 The metaphysical categories of Charles Peirce

- 00:13:00 Zen Buddhism's category of zero

- 00:14:18 Carl Jung's interpretation of four

- 00:21:22 Language as "representation"

- 00:28:48 Computational reality vs AGI

- 00:33:06 Consciousness in particles

- 00:44:18 Anesthesia and consciousness: Joscha's personal perspective

- 00:54:36 Levels of consciousness levels (panpsychism vs functionalism)

- 00:56:23 Deep neural nets & LLMs as steps backward from AGI?

- 01:05:04 Emergent properties of LLMs

- 01:12:26 Turing-completeness and its implications

- 01:15:08 OpenAI's bold claims challenged

- 01:24:24 Future of AGI

- 01:31:58 Intelligent species after human extinction

- 01:36:33 Emergence of a cosmic mind

- 01:43:56 The timeline to AGI development

- 01:52:16 The physics of immortality

- 01:54:00 Critique of Integrated Information Theory (pseudoscience?)

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Joscha Bach Λ Ben Goertzel: Conscious Ai, LLMs, AGI

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Henson shaving: Precision engineering for a better shave

Theories of everything: Exploring consciousness and AI

Anesthesia: Exploring consciousness in different contexts

LLMs and AGI: Assessing the capabilities of large language models

The path to human-level AGI and superintelligence

The importance of open and decentralized AGI development

The uncertain future and potential challenges of AGI

The limitations of current AI models and theories of consciousness

Expanding Dimensions and Limitless Capabilities of AI Training Data

Metaphysical Categories Defined by Charles Peirce

Effects of Anesthesia on Consciousness and Pain Perception

Multiple Traditions in Artificial Intelligence

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Deep dives

Henson shaving: Precision engineering for a better shave

Theories of everything: Exploring consciousness and AI

Anesthesia: Exploring consciousness in different contexts

LLMs and AGI: Assessing the capabilities of large language models

The path to human-level AGI and superintelligence

The importance of open and decentralized AGI development

The uncertain future and potential challenges of AGI

The limitations of current AI models and theories of consciousness

Expanding Dimensions and Limitless Capabilities of AI Training Data

Metaphysical Categories Defined by Charles Peirce

Effects of Anesthesia on Consciousness and Pain Perception

Multiple Traditions in Artificial Intelligence

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