Highlights From The Comments On Jhanas

Nov 2, 2022

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ANECDOTE

Tetris McKenna's Jhana Experience

Tetris McKenna describes first jhana as intensely pleasurable but initially difficult due to mental grasping.
Later jhanas become calmer and more equanimous, providing deeper satisfaction beyond raw pleasure.

INSIGHT

Jhana's Reality Compared to Drugs

Meditation-induced jhana produces intense pleasure similar to MDMA but is non-religious and physically plausible.
Doubters apply an unfair burden of proof compared to phenomena like seizures causing bliss or drug effects.

ANECDOTE

Jhana's Pleasure Compared to Orgasm

Romeo Stevens compares deep first jhana to a full-body orgasm that can last minutes or hours, far more vivid than drug highs.
An experiment found orgasming during first jhana was better than average but not as good as the best non-jhana orgasms.

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"I think it’s the first time half the commenters accused the other half of lying" I. Is Jhana Real?

This was a fun one. I think it’s the first time half the commenters accused the other half of lying.

Okay, “half” is an exaggeration. But by my count we had 21 people who claimed to have experienced jhanas (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21), and 7 who said they were pretty sure it wasn’t real as described (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7).

The former group include people like Tetris McKenna, who wrote:

I've experienced samatha jhanas. I don't do it so much now. The first few times you get on the edge of 1st jhana, it's difficult to achieve, because you see the wave of pleasure approaching, and grasp for it, and that grasping takes you away from it. So it's a careful balancing act of pleasure/desire in the first place to get there, which you have to master to some degree. To even get to 1st jhana, you have to internally figure out some stuff about the craving/pleasure dynamic on a subconscious, mechanical level.

1st jhana is, as the author describes, intensely pleasurable. Sublime. His descriptions are spot on imo. But in some ways, it's also too much pleasure. It can feel agitating once you get used to it and aren't so awestruck by it anymore. Indeed, the latter jhanas are associated with letting go of certain aspects of the initial jhana, to more and more refined states that are more calm and equanimous than intensely pleasurable. Again, this is internalising and mastering the skill of balancing pleasure/craving.

Those calm and equanimous states of 2nd-4th jhana become much more satisfying than the initial pleasure wave of the 1st jhana. Cultivating them to that degree is a process of gaining valuable insight into the pleasure/craving dynamic in your mind. Even if you don't get to those stages, just practising 1st jhana alone will help the mind normalise the intensity of the pleasure, such that it's no big deal any more. You don't need or even want pleasure all the time, because you've seen it with such clarity, over and over again, just by setting the conditions up correctly in your mind.