A dialogue with Ken Lowry (from his channel) in which we build upon John Vervaeke's 'After Socrates Ep.2: Socrates the monstrous' . Ken is one of my favourite interlocutors and in this dialogue we explore our experiences of christianity and the dynamism of combining socrates and Jesus as 'internalised sages'. We consider the differences between these two sages, Jesus being more 'perfect' and 'up and the clouds' whilst socrates displays a clearly carnal eroticism. We consider how they can both set us free in different ways and might be in dialogue with one another.