The Education Minister's confident successful primary school literacy results aren't just low hanging fruit.
Results from the new phonics literacy programme show 58% of students are at or above expectations after 20 weeks.
More than 40% of students exceeded expectations in Term 3 – more than double the first term.
Erica Stanford says they're tracking where they hoped.
But she told Mike Hosking this couldn't be achieved by just anyone and required a government who was prepared to follow the science.
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