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Preparing For Trump’s Next “Big Lie,” with the Election Lawyer Marc Elias

Sep 9, 2024
Marc Elias, an attorney renowned for his pivotal role in contesting 2020 election lawsuits, joins to discuss the perilous rise of election denial as the 2024 election looms. He shares his concerns about the enhanced competence of Trump's team and the sway of election-denying officials in critical swing states. Elias warns of the potential for a more effective assault on democracy, predicting that Trump will claim victory across all states post-election, emphasizing that this is a hallmark of Trump's behavior.
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  • Marc Elias highlights that Trump's election-denying tactics could be more efficient in 2024 due to empowered officials in swing states.
  • Despite past victories in court, Elias expresses deep concerns about the integrity of future elections amid rising legal challenges and misinformation.

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The Landscape of Election Denial

Election denial has become a prominent strategy for Donald Trump, who has consistently claimed elections are rigged when he does not win. His rhetoric surrounding elections has evolved, from declaring the 2016 election was rigged until he emerged victorious, to contesting the legitimacy of the 2020 election immediately after losing. Legal challenges became his main tactic to undermine the electoral process, which were largely countered by attorney Mark Elias, known for successfully defeating Trump's claims in court. However, Elias expresses concern about the implications for upcoming elections, noting that election-denying officials now hold power in key swing states, potentially exacerbating the challenges to a fair electoral process in 2024.

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