Omid Safi is a professor at Duke university and is an expert in Sufism and Islamic mysticism. He has authored and edited many books, including Progressive Muslims: On Justice, Gender, and Pluralism, and Radical Love: Teachings from the Islamic Mystical Tradition. He also has a podcast called Sufi Heart, which is part of the Be Here Now network. In this conversation we discuss radical love and justice, with a focus on the mystical experience of God’s love. As wild as it may sound to modern secular ears, I think it makes sense to say that reality really is made of God’s love, or rather the love that is God. In my work I unpack this vision of reality using terms like the radical unbounded openness of the nonconceptual totality of reality, but it’s the same thing. Most importantly, it can be discovered directly through experience.