Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Joscha Bach Λ Karl Friston: Ai, Death, Self, God, Consciousness

Dec 12, 2023

Neuroscientist Karl Friston and researcher Joscha Bach discuss death, Ai, consciousness, and God. Topics include sentience vs. consciousness, overlapping realities, mortal computation, Ai surpassing humans, defining consciousness, multiple consciousnesses, psychedelic experiences, institutional rot, and existential crises.

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Consciousness involves self-organization of information processing systems and could manifest as multiple overlapping consciousnesses.

Mortality is crucial for efficient organization and preventing institutional calcification, and it has implications for AI development.

AI should be biomimetic, running on substrates aligned with biological systems' scale and efficiency, emphasizing self-organization and shared narratives.

AI has the potential to accelerate research and understanding, but alternative architectures and substrates are needed to overcome current limitations and inefficiencies.

Consciousness is a complex process involving belief updating, self-awareness, and potential multiple consciousnesses within the same mind.

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Consciousness and self-organization of information processing systems

The podcast episode explores the idea that there could be multiple consciousnesses, with each consciousness unaware of the others. The speaker suggests that consciousness allows for the self-organization of information processing systems in nature. The episode features guests who have expertise in artificial intelligence, neuroscience, and philosophy, delving into cognitive architectures, computational models of consciousness, and the free energy principle. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the principles of self-organization and the potential for AI to contribute to this understanding.

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01:25

Depersonalization and Derealization Conditions

01:20

Potential Sentience of Trees and Forests

01:26

Consciousness as the Core of Self-Organization

01:24

Introduction

3min

The Advent of Large Language Models and Generalized Artificial Intelligence

25min

The Limitations of Human Understanding in Physics and the Role of AI

8min

Mortality and Biology

11min

AI's Potential and Computational Power

25min

Exploring Mortality and the Potential for Immortality

2min

Self-Organization, Free Energy, and the Imperative of Curiosity

10min

The Early Bird, First Mover Advantage, and the Art of Good Management

2min

Exploring the Relationship Between Curiosity and Consciousness

20min

10.

Exploring Consciousness and Multiple Selves

31min

11.

Exploring Altered States of Consciousness and the Replication Crisis

15min

12.

Exploring Illusions, Existential Crisis, and the Magic of Understanding

3min

13.

Conclusion and Call to Support the Podcast

4min

Karl Friston, Joscha Bach, and Curt Jaimungal delve into death, neuroscientific models of Ai, God, and consciousness.

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TIMESTAMPS:

- 00:00:00 Introduction

- 00:01:47 Karl and Joscha's new paper

- 00:09:13 Sentience vs. consciousness vs. The Self

- 00:21:00 Self-organization, thingness, and self-evidencing

- 00:29:02 Overlapping realities and physics as art

- 00:41:05 Mortal computation and substrate-agnostic Ai

- 00:56:38 Beyond Von Neumann architectures

- 01:00:23 Ai surpassing human researchers

- 01:20:34 Exploring vs. Exploiting (the risk of curiosity in academia)

- 01:27:02 Incompleteness and interdependence

- 01:32:25 Defining consciousness

- 01:53:36 Multiple overlapping consciousnesses

- 02:03:03 Unified experience and schizophrenia "insights"

- 02:10:16 Psychedelic experiences

- 02:22:20 Institutional rot in science

- 02:23:31 OpenAI CEO controversy

- 02:32:22 Existential crises as one delves into consciousness

- 02:35:06 Podcast wrap-up

NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.

THANK YOU: To Mike Duffy, of https://dailymystic.org for your insight, help, and recommendations on this channel.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

- Mortal Computation, a Foundation for Biomimetic Intelligence (Karl Friston): https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.09589

- A Path to Generative Artificial Selves (Joscha Bach and Liane Gabora): https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/y3tzs

- Podcast w/ Joshua on TOE (solo): https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & John Vervaeke on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Donald Hoffman on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww

- Podcast w/ Karl Friston solo on TOE: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M

- Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw

- Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Anna Lemke on TOE: COMING

- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

- Podcast w/ Chris Fields on TOE: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw

- I Am a Strange Loop (Douglas Hofstadter): https://amzn.to/3GGqjpM

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Joscha Bach Λ Karl Friston: Ai, Death, Self, God, Consciousness

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Consciousness and self-organization of information processing systems

The significance of mortality in biological systems

Biomimetic intelligence and the quest for a shared understanding

Exploring the potential of AI and the future of research

The concept of consciousness and its implementation

The incompleteness of individual minds and the role of curiosity

Consciousness as a process and implications for self-awareness

Speculations on the nature of consciousness and future possibilities

Existential Crisis and the Illusion of Self

The Debacle at OpenAI

Self-Modeling Drives Effective Growth

Depersonalization and Derealization Conditions

Potential Sentience of Trees and Forests

Consciousness as the Core of Self-Organization

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Joscha Bach Λ Karl Friston: Ai, Death, Self, God, Consciousness

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Consciousness and self-organization of information processing systems

The significance of mortality in biological systems

Biomimetic intelligence and the quest for a shared understanding

Exploring the potential of AI and the future of research

The concept of consciousness and its implementation

The incompleteness of individual minds and the role of curiosity

Consciousness as a process and implications for self-awareness

Speculations on the nature of consciousness and future possibilities

Existential Crisis and the Illusion of Self

The Debacle at OpenAI

Self-Modeling Drives Effective Growth

Depersonalization and Derealization Conditions

Potential Sentience of Trees and Forests

Consciousness as the Core of Self-Organization

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