Lifting the Ban: The Untold Story of the 1978 Revelation - A Conversation with Matthew Harris

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Jun 7, 2025

In this discussion, Matthew Harris, the author of Second-Class Saints, dives into the pivotal moments leading to the 1978 revelation that lifted the priesthood ban for Black members. He unearths previously unavailable documents, revealing a process of dialogue and personal growth rather than a sudden command. Topics include the evolving definitions of doctrine, the significant role of progressive activists, and the necessity for reconciliation within faith institutions. Harris emphasizes the importance of understanding this history to foster inclusivity and healing.

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INSIGHT

Owning Racist Origins

The ban on Black priesthood ordination originated in racist teachings by Brigham Young with clear documentation disproving claims of ignorance. - Owning the church's racist past honestly fosters forgiveness and healing, rather than denial or ignorance.

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Ancestry, Not Skin Color

The priesthood ban targeted Black African ancestry, not simply skin color, complicating racial definitions. - Fractional ancestry rules were arbitrary measures to uphold segregation and racial boundaries.

ANECDOTE

Secret Compassion of a Hardliner

Joseph Fielding Smith reversed a harsh temple marriage ban secretly to avoid disruptions among Black members' families. - This showed the complex humanity of leaders, beyond their public stances.

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This week—June 9th—marks the 47th anniversary of the 1978 revelation that ended the Church’s 126-year ban on Black members receiving the priesthood and entering the temple. It’s a moment we often point to with reverence and gratitude—but the story we’ve inherited about how it happened is, in many ways, incomplete.

To help us understand more fully what led to that pivotal moment, we’re joined by Dr. Matthew Harris, whose new book Second-Class Saints draws on previously unavailable documents—including the complete, unredacted journals from Pres. Spencer W. Kimball and private papers from several other apostles and prophets who were part of this story. What emerges is a story of complex revelation—one that didn’t arrive all at once, but unfolded slowly through conversation, persuasion, and deep personal growth.

We sometimes talk about the 1978 revelation as if it came out of nowhere—a sudden command from heaven. But Matt helps us see the reality that this was a process shaped by years of thoughtful wrestling and dialogue, by courageous individuals who quietly worked to open hearts and minds, and by the unwavering faith of Black members who carried impossible burdens with grace and conviction.

In our conversation today, we explored what it means to be part of a living church—one that’s capable of change because it’s built on continuing revelation. We talked about how “doctrine” has been defined and redefined across the Church’s history, the vital role each of us plays in the process of institutional revelation, because this isn’t just about the past—it’s about how we show up today: how we answer President Nelson’s call to root out racism and build a more inclusive future within the body of Christ.

We’re deeply grateful to Matt for his careful, bold work. And with that, we’ll jump right into our conversation with Matt Harris.

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