In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Lisa Whittle who is a sought after Bible teacher, founder of Ministry Strong, and host of the popular Jesus Over Everything podcast. She is the author of seven books, including her newest Bible study release Jesus Over Everything. During their conversation, they discuss what it means to be a natural-born leader, needing a revival of the soul, and the benefits of being patient in the wait. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 56: "I never meant to be in these roles that I am in today, I just sort of led with my gifts where I was and it took me where I am.""One of the most important lessons to me was that their response is not your responsibility.""One mistake I made was wasting time worrying about some fake arrival point.""I did not realize the value of community.""In 2012, I was going to quit everything - writing, speaking, my blog - and I thought to myself, why can't I?""The Lord really spoke to my heart and gave me a picture of revival.""If you leave Jesus, your leadership is doomed.""It's really about any books that drive you closer to the Father, because that is the relationship that is going to hold your leadership together.""Some of the most powerful ministry I have ever done has been in a room with five people.""Making plans isn't a bad thing, but hold them loosely because God will likely change them.""Wait with belief that God is going to do something amazing with your life, but you are not on pause. There is a world in front of you that needs to be served.""It is to your benefit to be exercising your gifts and practicing.""Your leadership will only be as good as your relationship with Jesus is." RESOURCES MENTIONED Jesus Over Everything by Lisa Whittle Jesus Over Everything Podcast Ministry Strong Revolution by George Barna The Wounded Healer by Henri Nouwen Called Creatives