Should a true populist not support Trump?

Thomas Frank, a journalist and historian known for his insightful work on American populism, joins Freddy Gray to delve into the current political scene. They discuss the evolution of populism and the dynamic between grassroots movements and elite reforms. Frank shares his views on the transformation of political conventions, highlighting their shift from open debate to scripted events. The conversation touches on perceptions of gender in politics and critiques the lack of substantive discourse in contemporary political debates, especially regarding Trump and Biden.