Big Technology Podcast

Palantir and Clearview Are Turning Ukraine’s War Into an R&D Lab — With Vera Bergengruen

Dec 27, 2023
Vera Bergengruen, a senior correspondent at Time, dives into her experiences reporting from Ukraine, where tech companies like Palantir and Clearview are testing their innovations in real-time warfare. She discusses the ethical dilemmas of facial recognition technology used to identify soldiers amidst chaos. The conversation highlights how Ukraine is leveraging this conflict to build its own military tech industry and questions the broader implications of using sophisticated technology in warfare. It's a riveting exploration of tech's role in modern conflict.
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ANECDOTE

Clearview AI in Ukraine

  • Clearview AI, facing negative press, eagerly shared how Ukraine uses their facial recognition software.
  • They connected Vera Bergengruen with Ukrainian officials, demonstrating a desire to highlight positive applications.
INSIGHT

Information Warfare

  • Ukrainians used Clearview AI to identify dead Russian soldiers and share their information online.
  • This aimed to inform Russians about war casualties and counter the narrative of minimal losses.
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Expanding Use Cases

  • Clearview AI's facial recognition expanded beyond identifying Russians to identifying Ukrainian collaborators.
  • It also helped locate kidnapped Ukrainian children adopted by Russian families.
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