How close are we to automating scientific discovery? What do AI competition wins really tell us about progress toward AGI? OpenAI Chief Scientist Jakub Pachocki and researcher Szymon Sidor share inside stories—from gold medals at the International Math Olympiad to surprising leaps in reasoning—that reveal where AI is headed next.

1:20 – From high school in Poland to AI research leaders

4:50 – Explaining AGI: technical and everyday perspectives

6:30 – Automating scientific discovery with AI

7:50 – Breakthroughs in medicine, AI safety, and alignment

10:30 – Today is a decade in the making

14:30 – Benchmark saturation and its limits

16:50 – Why math competitions matter for AI

18:15 – How models reason without tools

21:45 – Recognizing when a model can’t solve a problem

23:30 – Storytime: AtCoder competition in Japan

26:50 – How reasoning breakthroughs really happen

28:55 – What’s next for scaling and long-horizon reasoning

30:30 – What AGI will look and feel like

36:25 – Balancing trust and personal value

34:00 – Advice to high school students in 2025

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Episode 5 - Defining AGI and the road ahead