Joe Krebs speaks with Lauri Apple about agile program management. We talked about the need for a role that is the glue between the teams, within the team and leadership. The glue that keeps things going also from on a personal level. She relates the role to Zombie Scrum, robotic behavior and execution of specific Scrum elements. You will hear Lauri talk about how to cut through the zombie scrum problem, how the program manager deals with metrics and most importantly can drive value. Program management does not have to be conflict with Scrum Mastery, but she sees value in both. Hear topics like culture, agile coaches with technical expertise, bugs, metrics and we close it out with a conversation about Open Source.