Dr. Maria Massucco discusses women's trauma in modern & contemporary Italy, exploring the evolution of the mad woman in literature, the portrayal of madness and violence in battle, the influence of feminist scholarship, the relationship between opera and madness, the therapeutic power of literature, and the works of Goliarda Sapienza and contemporary Italian cinema.
Ancient archetypes of crazed women continue to influence our understanding of madness in women, with a shift from rage to depression in modern literature.
Freud's analysis of female hysteria shifted from attributing it to sexual abuse to placing it in the realm of fantasy and the unconscious, possibly influenced by societal pressures.
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Women in Madness in Literature
The podcast episode explores the topic of women in madness, specifically in literature. The speaker discusses how ancient archetypes of crazed women, such as the medias, medusas, furies, harpies, and maenads, continue to influence our understanding of madness in women. The speaker highlights the distinction between the rage-filled, violent representation of madness in ancient times and the more haunted, depressive version in modern literature. The podcast also delves into the influence of patriarchy on the portrayal of madness in women and how it has shaped societal perceptions. The discussion acknowledges the impact of gender and trauma on the manifestation of madness in both women and men.
Psychoanalysis and the Suppression of Trauma
The podcast explores the controversial shift in Freud's analysis of female hysteria, from attributing its roots to real sexual abuse in childhood to placing the etiology within the realm of fantasy and the unconscious. The discussion highlights how this shift may have been influenced by societal pressures and the desire for acceptance of psychoanalysis. The speaker also mentions the importance of feminist movements in the validation of trauma and the recognition of the impact of patriarchal structures on the experiences of women. It emphasizes the need to acknowledge the wounds and trauma experienced by women and the importance of storytelling and literature in bringing these experiences to light.
Mother-Daughter Relationships and Woundedness
The podcast delves into the complexities of mother-daughter relationships and how they are influenced by societal norms and patriarchal systems. The discussion suggests that antagonism can arise in these relationships due to the desire to avoid following in the mother's footsteps, as the mother is often portrayed as a victim of patriarchal oppression and impotence. The speaker highlights the importance of challenging and reimagining these dynamics through literature and storytelling. It examines novels by Italian women writers that focus on encounters between daughters and wounded mothers, offering a therapeutic exploration of the bodily similarities and shared experiences between women.
Literature as Therapy and Reintegration
The podcast discusses the healing power of literature and its ability to address trauma and woundedness. It explores how literature creates a space for individuals to connect with and relate to the experiences of others, dispelling feelings of isolation. The speaker emphasizes the importance of stories that go beyond traditional narratives of despair, noting the need for narratives that offer a scope of transcendence and recovery. The discussion also touches on the role of contemporary Italian literature and cinema in reimagining and reshaping the portrayal of motherhood and depicting stories that promote healing and togetherness.
A conversation with Maria Massucco, who earned her PhD in Italian at Stanford in 2023. Her dissertation is titled “Woundedness and Reintegration: The Phenomenology and Transmission of Women’s Trauma in Modern and Contemporary Italy.” Songs in this episode: “Helen” by Glass Wave, and “Ophelia” by Glass Wave.
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