It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine A Renaissance of Our Own: The Stories We Tell Ourselves with Rachel Cargle
Can grief be an opportunity for growth and self-understanding?
The answer, of course, is yes: but it’s a bit more complex than that. This week, author, philanthropist, activist Rachel Cargle on survival optimism, the resilience narrative, and why questioning the stories you tell yourself - with curiosity and kindness - is a powerful path of healing.
In this episode we cover:
- How was grief modeled for you growing up, and how does that affect later grief?
- Can your memory of childhood grief be…. entirely wrong? (or at least, inaccurate)
- Can you do grief wrong?
- The difference between curiosity and judgment
- Is it ok to feel relieved when a sick person dies?
- Rachel’s new book, A Renaissance of Our Own
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Related episodes:
Gabor Mate on why we celebrate trauma, aka: resilience
Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the power of storytelling as an act of healing
Notable quotes:
“It's a practice of kindness to ourselves when we acknowledge and lean into the both/and… So when I feel shame about the relief I feel because I no longer have this sick mother to worry about, I can actually rest with that relief because I know that probably in about 2.5 days I'm going to be on the floor crying about the fact that she's not here. It’s both/and.” - Rachel Cargle
“(As) I really look at my childhood and have to dust some things off, (I’m) also cleaning off the spaces where good things are. You're not just going to the box of bones and figuring out all the hard, terrible things that happened in your childhood.” - Rachel Cargle
About our guest:
Rachel Cargle is a writer, entrepreneur and philanthropic innovator. Her new memoir, A Renaissance of Our Own, centers the reimagining of womanhood, solidarity and self. In 2018 she founded The Loveland Foundation, Inc., a non-profit offering free therapy to Black women and girls. She’s also the founder of Elizabeth’s Bookshop & Writing Centre – a literacy space designed to amplify, celebrate and honor the work of writers who are often excluded from traditional cultural, social and academic canons. For more on her many endeavors, visit rachelcargle.com.
About Megan:
Psychotherapist and bestselling author Megan Devine is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. She helms a consulting practice in Los Angeles and serves as an organizational consultant for the healthcare and human resources industries.
The best-selling book on grief in over a decade, Megan’s It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, is a global phenomenon that has been translated into more than 25 languages. Her celebrated animations and explainers have garnered over 75 million views and are used in training programs around the world.
Additional resources:
Rachel’s book - A Renaissance of Our Own
The Loveland Foundation, Inc. - houses a collection of Rachel’s social ventures
The Great Unlearn, a self-paced, donation-based learning community
The Great Unlearn for Young Learners – an online learning space for young folks launching in 2022
Elizabeth’s Bookshop & Writing Centre - an innovative literacy space designed to amplify, celebrate and honor the work of writers who are often excluded from traditional cultural, social and academic canons.
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Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed
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