To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes Michael Scherer: Inside RFK Jr.’s Rise
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Nov 25, 2025 Michael Scherer, a staff writer at The Atlantic, dives into the complex world of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a polarizing figure in science policy. Scherer shares insights from his deep reporting, highlighting Kennedy’s tumultuous relationship with scientific institutions and his unexpected partnership with Trump. The discussion uncovers the erosion of public trust in expertise during COVID and its implications. They also explore Kennedy's personal struggles with addiction, the impact of his investigations into vaccines, and the significance of engaging with opposing views.
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Understanding Kennedy Explains A Wider Breakdown
- Michael Scherer spent extended time with RFK Jr. to understand his motives beyond labels like "crazy" or "conspiracist."
- He argues understanding Kennedy helps explain a broader breakdown in trust around science and institutions.
Plane Conversation Turned Grim After Shooting
- On a flight after an event, RFK Jr. said threats against him had risen above a threshold of lethality.
- Minutes later, they learned Charlie Kirk had been shot, highlighting the volatile stakes around these fights.
Kennedy Is A Catalyst, Not The Whole Cause
- Scherer says Kennedy is actively dismantling parts of federal science but did not originate the loss of trust in science.
- He traces the erosion of authority to COVID-era backlash and broader political forces, not just Kennedy alone.
