The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Baroness Beeban Kidron talk about her crusade against Big Tech, “age appropriate” design (1:40), turning 50 pages of terms and conditions into a couple sentences (2:50), the industry’s “category error” (4:30), why kids are considered kids online at 13 (7:50), how the smartphone changed everything (9:50), making the digital world look more like the real world (11:50), why the tech ‘nation-states’ need to assume more responsibilities (14:45), the turning tide of public opinion (16:00), industry being its own worst enemy (18:45), the tech ‘cartel’ (23:05), the “lost generation” (27:15), behaviour manipulation (29:30), and why tech isn’t like jazz or the novel (32:45).

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