In this episode, I talk with Avery Thatcher, burnout specialist and former ICU nurse, about rethinking stress management, recovering from burnout, and building sustainable energy resilience.

We discuss:

• Why managing energy works better than managing stress—and what most strategies get wrong.

• The four types of energy and how they each lead to burnout.

• How burnout is shaped by larger societal pressures, not just personal choices.

Challenge: At [00:49:22], Avery shares her challenge to rethink your morning routine. Instead of a rigid to-do list, focus on how you want to feel and choose actions that align with creating that foundation.

Resources:

• Avery’s Website
• Kelly McGonigal’s TED Talk on stress perception.