In this episode, my guest is Dr. Gerald Pollack, a renowned professor of bioengineering at the University of Washington and founding editor-in-chief of the journal Water. Dr. Pollack is widely recognized for his groundbreaking discoveries in cell biology and water science, particularly his identification of the “fourth phase” of water—also known as EZ (exclusion zone) water. His research offers a radical rethinking of how water functions in biological systems, challenging classical theories.

Today we explore the foundations of Dr. Pollack’s theory, emphasizing the influential research of the late Gilbert Ling. We begin by examining key topics such as the existence of the cell membrane, evidence challenging ATP as the cell’s energy currency, and the disproofs of the membrane-pump theory. We also question conventional models of the atom and consider how Dr. Pollack’s findings connect to these paradigm shifts. Finally, we discuss the discoveries from Dr. Pollack’s lab and their far-reaching implications for biology and human health.

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Introduction

00:00:17 Welcome

00:02:09 Sponsor: Biojit

00:03:26 Dr. Gerald Pollack

00:03:47 Love for Science

00:09:35 Questioning the Textbook and Our Understanding of Water

00:15:07 Jerry’s Teaching Methods

00:17:00 Herold Hillman: Does the Cell Membrane Exist?

00:22:13 Gilbert Ling

00:23:26 Ling’s Theory of Water

00:26:26 Writing Cells, Gels, and the Engines of Life

00:27:27 The Association-Induction Hypothesis

00:30:12 Independent Disproofs Against the Membrane-Pump Theory

00:31:28 Podolsky & Morales: There is no “High Energy Phosphate Bond” in ATP

00:35:24 ATP as a Cardinal Absorbent

00:36:12 Ling’s Stacked Dipole Theory and Why it is Not Accurate

00:40:45 Gilbert Ling’s Inventions, MRI, etc.

00:41:49 EZ Water Electrical Charge

00:43:56 EZ Creating a Battery and its Implications for Cellular Energetics

00:46:02 Infrared Light Powers the Battery

00:51:12 Arturo Herrera, Human Photosynthesis

00:54:51 Polywater

00:57:47 EZ Structure vs. Bulk Water Structure

01:03:34 Infrared Light’s Role in EZ Formation

01:04:20 Hydrogen Bonds SImply a Conjecture

01:05:38 Questioning the Structure of the Atom

01:16:37 EZ Projection of a Meter Long (39 inch)

01:21:39 Deuterium and Deuterium Depleted Water

01:23:20 Phase Transitions Within the Cell

01:27:15 Continuous Flow Occurs Through Hydrophilic Tubes Immersed in Water

01:36:41 The Driver of Blood Circulation Beyond the Heart

01:42:53 Implications for Human Health

01:55:42 Kangen Water

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