After a fiery final Goodison derby where refereeing was in the spotlight once again and as the Super League season begins, Gabby and Kelly are joined by Phil Bentham, Head of Match Officials at the Rugby Football League and former Premier League VAR coach.

Will the new Captain's Challenge help rugby league and should football try it? And what else can VAR in football learn from other sports? (07:47)

Plus we chat to Joe McEwan who suffered a sudden cardiac arrest while playing lacrosse. The 22-year-old's heart stopped for 4 minutes but he survived thanks to the people around him. He joins us from New Zealand where he's about to complete a 3,000km walk to raise money for heart screenings. (33:20)

You can donate to Joe's fundraiser for Cardiac Risk in the Young here!

Executive Producer: Adonis Pratsides

Producer: Sophie Penney

Video Producers: Sam Trudgill

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