The Joe Rogan Experience #2395 - Mariana van Zeller
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Oct 17, 2025 
Mariana van Zeller, an investigative journalist and creator of National Geographic's 'Trafficked,' dives into the murky world of black and gray markets. She shares insights on gaining access to cartels, the hidden realities of drug trafficking, and the corruption within law enforcement. Mariana details shocking scams in rehab and the opioid crisis, explores the psychology behind scams, and emphasizes the importance of empathy in understanding crime and migration. Her experience shapes a conversation about independent journalism and the urgent need for nonviolence in leadership.
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Study Both Black And Gray Markets
- When analyzing illicit markets, examine both black (illegal) and gray (unregulated/untaxed) segments for full impact.
- Consider their effects on public revenue, services, and social harms to craft better policy responses.
Hidden Third Of The Economy
- Mariana van Zeller estimates roughly 35% of the global economy operates in black and gray markets, blending illegal and unregulated activity.
- Drug trade alone is estimated between $300–$600 billion annually, showing how deeply illicit markets affect societies.
Reporting Inside Sinaloa
- Mariana described gaining access to Sinaloa cartel figures by building trust and using a local fixer, Miguel Angel Vega.
- She filmed labs, sicarios, and fentanyl cooks after convincing contacts she was not law enforcement.
