On this week’s episode of The Waves, why can’t the feminists all get along? Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR political correspondent and author of the Substack, This F**king Job. They dig into what went wrong with Sheryl Sandberg’s book Lean In, why it wasn’t all completely wrong, and how to stop giving anti-feminists the ammo they need to attack.

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Clips Used:

“Sheryl Sandberg: Women Must Learn to ‘Lean In’” - ABC News

“I bought the book Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg” - Sarah Tollemache

“Girl boss culture gotta go” - Rachel Turner

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