Team Never Quit Dr Chris Frueh & Rob Sweetman: “The Operator Syndrome:” The Hidden Costs of War & The Fight For Better Sleep
Feb 26, 2025
01:08:08
Inside the Hidden Battle: Dr. Chris Frueh & Rob Sweetman on "Operator Syndrome" and Military Mental Health
In this week’s compelling episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast, we welcome Dr. Chris Frueh, a distinguished clinical psychologist, professor of psychology, and published author with over 30 years of experience working with military veterans and active-duty personnel. Dr. Frueh shares his extensive expertise drawn from decades of clinical trials, epidemiology, historical insights, and neuroscience research. Listen as he unpacks his groundbreaking work on “Operator Syndrome” and reveals how this paradigm-shifting concept is transforming our understanding and treatment of the complex health, psychological, and interpersonal challenges faced by those in military special operations.
Extensive Expertise: Over thirty years of professional experience with military veterans and active-duty personnel.
Academic & Clinical Leadership: Clinical Psychologist, Professor of Psychology, and co-author of more than 300 scientific publications, including a graduate textbook on adult psychopathology.
Innovative Research: Pioneering work on “Operator Syndrome”—a framework addressing the interrelated challenges emerging from a career in military special operations
Influential Voice: Dr. Frueh has testified before the US Congress and served as a contractor for organizations such as the Department of Defense, Veterans Affairs, US State Department, and the National Board of Medical Examiners.
Media Presence: His insights have been featured in top publications and cited by outlets like the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Washington Post, Scientific American, and NBC News.
Along with Dr Freud, Rob Sweetman brings much to the discussion. A former Navy SEAL with eight years of service, Rob faced numerous hidden injuries, including PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Obstructive Sleep Apnea, and Insomnia. The loss of a teammate to suicide became a turning point in his life, driving him to dedicate himself to the study of sleep science, determined to make a difference in the lives of others.
Whether you’re a veteran, a mental health professional, or simply interested in groundbreaking research that bridges military experience and psychology, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to gain valuable insights and join the conversation on advancing care for our military community.
In this episode you will hear:
• Through the military, the VA system, we’ve completely screwed the pooch with PTSD. We’ve put everything on PTSD. (6:47)
• Because we’ve put that reliance on PTSD, we’ve not attended to sleep, and sleep apnea. (7:22)
• We’ve failed a generation of soldiers. (8:01)
• Soldiers injure their brains in 2 ways. Impact forces that cause a concussion, but also the blasts have a shearing effect. That scars the glial cells in the nervous system. (8:21)
• We need to overhaul our approach to how we take care of soldiers, and by the way, this also affects first responders. (9:49)
• Soldiers fight their wars overseas (so far). Responders are in the streets of their home town. (10:08)
• We, and I say we as the medical establishment, of which I’ve been a part of for 30 years, we’ve fucked it all up. We’re not paying attention. (10:36)
• We’ve put all the focus on the psychological without appreciating the physiological. (15:49)
• There’s a lot of powers in the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and the hospitals that control the actions of doctors. (23:01)
• You can’t say that all sleep causes all mental [issues] and you can’t say that all mental health [issues] causes sleep health, but they’re definitely related. (24:55)
• We still don’t have suicide figured out. (26:26)
• You gotta have discipline. (32:22)
• A hypnogram is how we measure sleep with brain wave activity. (41:57)
• We have the best fighting force in the world. But we’ve been playing in the sand box of Iraq and Afghanistan. What’s gonna happen when we have our first word threat. When that pops up, are we gonna be ready? (51:45)
• Mr. Hegseth’s number one mission is to improve the lethality of the war fighter. (56:26)
• Last year, the VA spent 600 million dollars on suicide prevention efforts, that did not move the needle one little bit. (59:52)
• The concept of Operator Syndrome is not a diagnosis, it’s a framework for understanding how they’re all interrelated. (63:25)
• Your sleep affects your metabolism; it affects your hormone production. Testosterone is produced during sleep. Your brain health is affecting your sleep and your sleep is affecting your brain health. (63:38)
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In this week’s compelling episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast, we welcome Dr. Chris Frueh, a distinguished clinical psychologist, professor of psychology, and published author with over 30 years of experience working with military veterans and active-duty personnel. Dr. Frueh shares his extensive expertise drawn from decades of clinical trials, epidemiology, historical insights, and neuroscience research. Listen as he unpacks his groundbreaking work on “Operator Syndrome” and reveals how this paradigm-shifting concept is transforming our understanding and treatment of the complex health, psychological, and interpersonal challenges faced by those in military special operations.
Extensive Expertise: Over thirty years of professional experience with military veterans and active-duty personnel.
Academic & Clinical Leadership: Clinical Psychologist, Professor of Psychology, and co-author of more than 300 scientific publications, including a graduate textbook on adult psychopathology.
Innovative Research: Pioneering work on “Operator Syndrome”—a framework addressing the interrelated challenges emerging from a career in military special operations
Influential Voice: Dr. Frueh has testified before the US Congress and served as a contractor for organizations such as the Department of Defense, Veterans Affairs, US State Department, and the National Board of Medical Examiners.
Media Presence: His insights have been featured in top publications and cited by outlets like the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Washington Post, Scientific American, and NBC News.
Along with Dr Freud, Rob Sweetman brings much to the discussion. A former Navy SEAL with eight years of service, Rob faced numerous hidden injuries, including PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Obstructive Sleep Apnea, and Insomnia. The loss of a teammate to suicide became a turning point in his life, driving him to dedicate himself to the study of sleep science, determined to make a difference in the lives of others.
Whether you’re a veteran, a mental health professional, or simply interested in groundbreaking research that bridges military experience and psychology, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to gain valuable insights and join the conversation on advancing care for our military community.
In this episode you will hear:
• Through the military, the VA system, we’ve completely screwed the pooch with PTSD. We’ve put everything on PTSD. (6:47)
• Because we’ve put that reliance on PTSD, we’ve not attended to sleep, and sleep apnea. (7:22)
• We’ve failed a generation of soldiers. (8:01)
• Soldiers injure their brains in 2 ways. Impact forces that cause a concussion, but also the blasts have a shearing effect. That scars the glial cells in the nervous system. (8:21)
• We need to overhaul our approach to how we take care of soldiers, and by the way, this also affects first responders. (9:49)
• Soldiers fight their wars overseas (so far). Responders are in the streets of their home town. (10:08)
• We, and I say we as the medical establishment, of which I’ve been a part of for 30 years, we’ve fucked it all up. We’re not paying attention. (10:36)
• We’ve put all the focus on the psychological without appreciating the physiological. (15:49)
• There’s a lot of powers in the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and the hospitals that control the actions of doctors. (23:01)
• You can’t say that all sleep causes all mental [issues] and you can’t say that all mental health [issues] causes sleep health, but they’re definitely related. (24:55)
• We still don’t have suicide figured out. (26:26)
• You gotta have discipline. (32:22)
• A hypnogram is how we measure sleep with brain wave activity. (41:57)
• We have the best fighting force in the world. But we’ve been playing in the sand box of Iraq and Afghanistan. What’s gonna happen when we have our first word threat. When that pops up, are we gonna be ready? (51:45)
• Mr. Hegseth’s number one mission is to improve the lethality of the war fighter. (56:26)
• Last year, the VA spent 600 million dollars on suicide prevention efforts, that did not move the needle one little bit. (59:52)
• The concept of Operator Syndrome is not a diagnosis, it’s a framework for understanding how they’re all interrelated. (63:25)
• Your sleep affects your metabolism; it affects your hormone production. Testosterone is produced during sleep. Your brain health is affecting your sleep and your sleep is affecting your brain health. (63:38)
Socials:
- IG: Sleepgenius
- https://ballastbooks.com/purchase/operator-syndrome/
Support TNQ
- IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13
- https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquit
Sponsors:
- shipsticks.com/TNQ
- Navyfederal.org
- Robinhood.com/gold
- strawberry.me/TNQ
- stopboxusa.com {TNQ}
- ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ]
- kalshi.com/TNQ
- PXG.com/TNQ
- joinbilt.com/TNQ
- Tonal.com [TNQ]
- greenlight.com/TNQ
- PDSDebt.com/TNQ
- drinkAG1.com/TNQ
- Shadyrays.com [TNQ]
- qualialife.com/TNQ [TNQ]
- Hims.com/TNQ
- Shopify.com/TNQ
- Aura.com/TNQ
- Policygenius.com
- TAKELEAN.com [TNQ]
- usejoymode.com [TNQ]
- Shhtape.com [TNQ]