In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Jenny Truong, Head of Operations and Developer Relations at Stately, to talk about state machines, XState, and mental health. They discuss the challenges and opportunities of starting a company from an open-source project, the benefits of user research and how Stately has used it to develop their new stately studio, and they extensively discuss Jenny's recent talk at AgentConf on looking at moods, burnout, and stress through the lens of state machines. Finally, they talk about the fun of being a doughnut connoisseur. ‌GuestJenny Truong- Head of Operations and Developer Relations at Stately  HostRob Ocel - Architect and Engineering Lead @ThisDotLabs - @robocell   Sponsored by This Dot Labs