In Episode 31, Gregg welcomes Jim Rutt. He is the former CEO of Network Solutions and served as Chairman of the Sante Fe Institute from 2009 thru 2012. He is a futurist and leading thinker who is well-known in this space for his podcast and playing a founding role in "Game B." In this episode, Jim Rutt shares his narrative and tells the story of the emergence of Game B. He also discusses his upcoming book, and he and Gregg riff on the relationship and synergy between Game B and UTOK, such that the 5th Joint Point can be framed as "UTOKing Game B". 

Here is the episode on podbean:
https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-t3p46-10fe8c2

Here is his podcast, the Jim Rutt Show: 
https://www.jimruttshow.com/

Here is the Game B Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/gamebcore/

and the Game-B Homepage:
https://www.game-b.org/