Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso

Anita Hill is Getting Even. We Believe Her.

Apr 3, 2022
Anita Hill, a pioneering lawyer and author known for her landmark testimony in the 1991 Clarence Thomas hearings, discusses her new podcast, Getting Even. She shares her reflections on the hostile environment she faced during her testimony and the ongoing structural barriers to justice for survivors of sexual harassment. Anita emphasizes the importance of systemic change over mere personnel swaps. She also highlights the significance of Ketanji Brown Jackson's nomination and draws inspiration from her mother's legacy, concluding with a powerful poem of hope.
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INSIGHT

Getting Even Means Equality

  • Anita Hill frames "getting even" as achieving equality rather than revenge.
  • She uses her podcast to surface solutions and voices working toward measurable change.
ANECDOTE

Revisiting 1991 To Include Missing Voices

  • Anita revisited 1991 to expose evidence and witnesses excluded from the Clarence Thomas hearings.
  • She says reexamining that record shows how processes should change to weigh survivors' testimony evenly.
ANECDOTE

Confusing Initial Contact In 1991

  • In early September 1991 Anita was asked if she was aware of sexual harassment, not whether she had been harassed herself.
  • She wrestled with the political nature of confirmations before deciding to step forward for the vetting process.
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