Few people in this world have done more to unearth the fallacy and shoddy evidence behind our dietary guidelines than Nina Teicholz. Her book The Big Fat Surprise is one of the seminal books opening our eyes to the problems the dietary guidelines have caused and their complete lack of quality evidence. But Nina didn't stop there. As director of the Nutrition Coalition, Nina is spearheading the effort to make sure nutritional recommendations are based on quality science or aren't made at all. On the surface it makes sense that we would all agree on that. Yet there is no shortage of controversy and deception still happening and the 2020 guidelines committee may not help matters much. Hear Nina's perspective on this, plus some the advances we have made, and where we can find hope for the future.