
The Skeptics Guide to Emergency Medicine SGEM Xtra: When I’m 64 – Old Fashioned Doctors
Jun 30, 2024
Dr. Fernada Bellolio, a Mayo Clinic speaker, joins Dr. Herbert L. Fred, an author known for his insights on traditional medicine, in a lively discussion. They explore the humorous and often critical perceptions of 'old-fashioned' doctors through a Monty Python skit. The conversation dives into the pitfalls of 'eminence-based medicine' versus evidence-based practices. They also reflect on generational divides in medical care, advocating for personalized treatment and emphasizing timeless principles of patient-centered care.
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Intro
00:00 • 2min
The Fallacy of Eminence in Medicine
02:29 • 3min
Navigating Generational Perspectives in Modern Medical Practice
05:06 • 8min
Timeless Principles of Patient-Centered Care
13:13 • 9min
Date: June 29, 2024
Reference: Herbert L. Fred M.D. (1998) Old-Fashioned Doctors, Hospital Practice.
This is an SGEM Xtra episode. I was honoured to be invited by Dr. Fernada Bellolio to the Mayo Clinic and present to the Department of Emergency Medicine. They were kind enough to allow me to speak about any topic. I decided to talk about an article Dr. Herbert L Fred published in 1998. You can get a copy of the slides by clicking on this LINK.
When I say the term “Old fashioned” what comes to mind?
Every generation of adults has been critical of the younger generation. This goes back a very long time. There is a wonderful comedy sketch by Monty Python called Four Yorkshiremen. These successful old men talk about how hard it was when they were growing up.
One man complained he “lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.” This prompts another man to say… “luxury”.
If you have never seen the Monty Python skit you check it out on YouTube. There is also a 90-second video that illustrates older generations crapping on the younger generation for thousands of years (The History of Adults Blaming the Younger Generation).
Now that we have discussed the concept of being old-fashioned in general, let’s talk about old-fashioned doctors specifically. Isaac and Fitzgerald in the BMJ 1999 described seven alternatives to evidence-based medicine (EBM). One of the alternatives they were suggesting with their tongue firmly in their cheek was an old-fashioned doctor practicing Eminence-Based Medicine (EmBM).
“The more senior the colleague. The eminent physician with the white hair and balding patch are called the “halo” effect. They place less importance on the need for anything as mundane as evidence. Experience, it seems, is worth any amount of evidence. These colleagues have a touching faith in clinical experience, which has been defined as ‘‘making the same mistakes with increasing confidence over an impressive number of years.”
Dr. Herbert Fred
This brings us to the article that this lecture is based on. Dr. Herbert L Fred wrote an opinion piece in the journal Hospital Practice in 1998. Dr. Fred was born in Waco Texas, went to medical school at Johns Hopkins, did his internal medicine at the University of Utah, served in the US Air Force and then went on to teach for nearly 6 decades at Baylor College of Medicine and The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston.
In his article, Dr. Fred commiserated by saying “In the 40 years that I have been a full-time medical educator, much has changed regarding what we teach and how we teach our students and house officers. As a consequence, I now confine myself to teaching basic medical principles-principles that should never change. But even so, today’s trainees tell me that what I say and do is old-fashioned.”
It sounds like a little bit of ageism from his students. His article responded with what could be interpreted as some ageism about the students. Reading the article it can come across as condescending and paternalistic giving off a strong "OK Boomer" vibe.
After Dr. Fred makes a dozen complaints, he concludes the article with “If so, then I am proud to be old-fashioned. And I believe that if more doctors today practiced medicine the old-fashioned way, our profession might regain some of the nobility and respect it once enjoyed.”
I posted this article to social media asking if others considered themselves “old-fashioned”. The vast majority of people responded with positive comments and emojis. However, some pointed out another valid perspective about the condescending tone and ageism expressed in the article by Dr. Fred.
I wanted to go through ten of his comments and show how these things are not necessarily old-fashioned or new-fashioned but rather timeless axioms of good medical practice.
1. Time With Patients
"Is it because old-fashioned doctors spend whatever time it takes to obtain a good medical history and physical examination?"
Seriously, we all would probably like to spend more time with our patients. Back in the 1960’s the emergency room was literally a ROOM. There was no specialty of emergency medicine (EM). The physician could take time and sit at the bedside longer and focus on the one patient in the only room.
Things have changed significantly and it is now an emergency DEPARTMENT (ED). There is also the current reality of metrics forcing doctors to move faster, be more “efficient” and “meet ‘em, greet ‘em and street ‘em”.
Then there is the dumpster fire of COVID-19 leading to the entire healthcare system seemingly signing out to the ED. We are expected to do primary care, manage post-op complications, be mental health experts, substance use disorder specialists, etc, etc, etc.
Wanting to spend more time with most patients is usually something we all want whether you are a young or old doc.
2. Patient Records
"Is it because old-fashioned doctors routinely seek all of the patient's previous medical records, not just the discharge summaries?"
Previous records were sometimes only one index card for General Practitioners or pediatricians. The addition of electronic health records (EHRs) has led to a huge increase in the length and redundancy of medical records. It has been for a variety of reasons including medical-legal and billing purposes. This problem has been coined the "Note Bloat" and there are initiatives to try and address this problem (Rule et al. JAMA Network Open, 2021).
How can you possibly find the signal in all the noise? Finding the information you need can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Systems are now being explored to use Large Language Models (LLMs) of narrow Artificial Intelligence (AI) to find relevant information clinicians need.
In addition, EHRs have been identified by physicians as one of the top reasons for burnout (Budd J. 2023 and Alobayli et al 2023).
3. Sophisticated/Expensive Tests
"Is it because old-fashioned doctors do not order sophisticated, expensive studies when simpler and cheaper procedures can supply the needed information?"
It’s pretty easy not to order sophisticated/expensive tests when you don’t have them. Who wants to go back to tasting urine to diagnose diabetes? Has anyone in this room done a diagnostic peritoneal lavage lately? Residents are using point-of-care ultrasound (POCUS) more and more.
CT scanners are better than plain X-rays for diagnosing head, neck and abdominal injuries. They can also find surgical abdominal pathology missed on the exam or even missed ultrasounds. Sure, we can be too quick to pull the trigger on the donut of truth but diagnostic imaging has often improved our ability to diagnose people correctly.
4. Brains and Hearts
"Is it because old-fashioned doctors use their brain and their heart, not an army of consultants, to manage their patients?"
This comment misses the mark. In 30 years of practice, I have seen wonderful caring young physicians who don’t rely on an army of consultants to manage their patients. Can anyone validate that with their experience? Have you worked with smart and kind residents?
For the residents, have any of you worked with an older physician who was unkind to a patient and seemed to consult on every patient?
I think brains/hearts have less to do with age and more to do with the individual's practice styles and personality types.
5. Treat Patients Not Numbers
“Is it because old-fashioned doctors treat patients, not numbers?”
I agree that we should treat patients, not numbers. Treat patients as people, not statistics. However, did old-fashioned doctors treat patients as people?
14th Amendment: This is when black people were finally recognized not as property (1868) yet 150 years later we still see racial disparities in the House of Medicine. There continues to be racial bias with multiple lines of evidence supporting this claim.
19th Amendment: Women got the right to vote (1920) yet 100 years later female patients are still treated differently in the house of medicine. Hysteria/hysterical used to describe neurotic conditions in people (women) with uteruses.
American Psychiatric Association (APA): In 1973 the APA removed the diagnosis of “homosexuality” from the second edition of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). There was a lot of stigma around gay male patients especially in the late 1980s and 1990s during the height of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Were these men treated as patients, not numbers?
Now we have trans and non-binary people fighting against discrimination. I would advocate that physicians treat every patient as a person with kindness no matter what size, shape, colour or how they identify.
6. Pill for Every Ill
“Is it because old-fashioned doctors do not blindly administer a ton of drugs in an attempt to alleviate every possible ill?”
This is another case of it being easy not to treat patients with lots of drugs when we had few defined diseases in the past and very few medical therapies.
In 1899 Bayer Aspirin was patented. However, the medicinal properties of salicylic acid go back to 4,000 before the common era (BCE). Over the last one-hundred, we have had several wonder drugs that can prevent illness and save lives. Sure, some patients deny any medical history and then bring out their medications. But if you had a heart attack in the past you would get aspirin, morphine and nitroglycerine. Now you will also likely get dual anti-platelet therapy, ACE-I, Beta-blocker and statin. These have been shown to improve outcomes after an ST-elevated myocardial infarction (STEMI).
