TEACHINGS: The Roots of Psychological Conflict | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm | Part 1
Feb 15, 2022
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Renowned philosopher and spiritual teacher J. Krishnamurti and influential physicist and philosopher David Bohm discuss the root of psychological conflict and the concept of 'becoming'. They explore the desire to become something more, the concept of evolution, meditation and the silent mind, transcending time and thought, and the interconnection of form and energy.
The root of psychological conflict lies in the contradictory desire for becoming and the avoidance of facing the truth.
Ending time and the ego's separation of 'I' are crucial in realizing one's true nature and transcending conflict.
Deep dives
The Wrong Turn of Humanity
In this podcast episode, J. Krishnamurti and David Byrne discuss the idea that humanity has taken a wrong turn. They explore how mankind has always strived to become something, leading to exploitation and conflict. They delve into the root cause of this conflict, pointing out the contradictory desire for becoming and the avoidance of facing the truth. They question the role of time and how it contributes to the perpetual struggle. They conclude that the origin of conflict lies in the separation of 'I' and the ego, which perpetuates a sense of becoming and prevents individuals from realizing their true nature.
The Nature of Time
Krishnamurti and Byrne discuss the role of time in human existence, both outwardly and inwardly. They highlight that time and becoming are connected, fueling the desire to constantly change and improve. They question the factors that contribute to the conflict and contradiction created by the pursuit of becoming. They reflect on the need for the brain to control and order this vast energy, leading to the dominance of time and the ensuing conflict. They explore the possibility of a different kind of movement beyond time, where conflict ceases and energy flows without constraints.
The Illusion of Psychological Knowledge
The conversation delves into the nature of knowledge and its relationship to time. They emphasize that psychological knowledge, which is based on time and experience, perpetuates conflict and the sense of a separate 'me.' They question the value and limitations of knowledge in the realm of the mind, highlighting that psychological experience is fundamentally rooted in time. They propose that the ending of psychological knowledge and the realization of its limitations opens the door to a different state of being, beyond time and conflict.
From Ending to New Beginning
Krishnamurti and Byrne explore the implications of ending time and the self. They suggest that this ending is not a static state, but a doorway to a new beginning. They emphasize that this beginning is not bound by time and is not a result of past accumulation or future becoming. They discuss the possibility of a movement without time, where energy flows freely and there is a fundamental transformation in one's relationship with existence. They observe that this radical shift in perception is not a fixed endpoint but an ongoing process of exploration and discovery.
The Immeasurable Podcast is highlighting a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Please go to kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - 1: The Roots of Psychological Conflict
Series: The Ending of Time
Has humanity taken a wrong turn?
What is the root of this tremendous inward conflict of humanity?
When I am trying to become something it is a constant battle.
Can the brain itself see that it is caught in time and as long as it is moving in that direction conflict is eternal, endless?
Can the mind realize, resolve a psychological problem immediately?
Has mankind journeyed through millennia to come to this: that I am nothing and therefore I am everything and all energy?
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