Episode 54: Toxic with Elizabeth Chambers

Jun 13, 2025

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Toxic relationships don’t usually start with obvious red flags. More often, they start with connection, someone who seems to really see you, who shows up in big ways, who makes you feel chosen. But over time, that connection can shift into something confusing, isolating, and hard to recognize for what it is.

I talk with Elizabeth Chambers, Host, Investigative Journalist and Executive Producer of the docuseries “Toxic,” about the psychological patterns behind abusive relationships - how they take shape, why they’re so easy to miss, and what keeps people from leaving. Elizabeth shares the stories of survivors she interviewed, many of whom came from loving, stable homes and never expected to end up in something harmful.

We also get into how culture plays a role. The fairytales we grow up with, the rom-com tropes, the magazines that taught us how to “get the guy” - they all send messages that can make it easier for abusers to gain trust and control. And when someone starts tailoring themselves to your vulnerabilities, mirroring your interests, slowly taking over the parts of your life that matter most, it rarely looks like abuse in the moment.

I talk through the tools I see used again and again in narcissistic relationships - love bombing, gaslighting, financial control - and how easy it is for good, smart people to get caught in them. And we explore what real support looks like when someone you care about is stuck in a relationship that’s hurting them.

This episode is a reminder to pay attention. To stay curious. To talk about the things we’re taught to keep private. Because awareness is the first step, and no one should have to figure it out alone.

Episode Breakdown:

00:00 Introduction to Narcissism and Healing

02:52 The Impact of Toxic Relationships

05:53 Recognizing Generational and Cultural Patterns

11:57 Why It’s So Hard to Leave

18:09 Love Bombing and Emotional Control

24:06 Red Flags and Manipulation Tactics

30:06 The Psychology Behind Abuse

34:25 Power, Intimacy, and Control

41:07 Communication and Relationship Imbalances

49:49 How Friends and Family Can Help

51:32 Breaking the Cycle for Future Generations