Ep 161 "You Look Perfectly Healthy to Me." Psychologist Laurie Dos Santos Part 2

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In this episode, Dr. Michael Lenz, a seasoned pediatrician and internist, resumes his conversation with clinical psychologist Dr. Laurie Dos Santos. They delve into the complexities of supporting individuals with chronic medical conditions such as POTS, Dysautonomia, and fibromyalgia. Dr. Dos Santos discusses her approach to group and individual therapy, the importance of validating patients' experiences, and the impact of these conditions on adolescents and their families. The episode highlights a significant study, "You Look Perfectly Healthy to Me" on the quality of life for youth with POTS, stressing the need for more research, interdisciplinary collaboration, and advocacy. Dis Santos shares her insights on understanding the biopsychosocial framework of symptoms and offers hope and practical advice for those living with chronic illnesses.

00:00 Welcome Back to the Conversation with Dr. Lori Dosantos
00:23 Introduction to the Host and the Podcast's Mission
00:48 Resuming the Conversation: Group Therapy and State Reciprocity
03:09 Deep Dive into POTS: Understanding Through Research and Patient Stories
10:14 Collaborative Care: The Power of Interdisciplinary Teams
13:31 The Genetic and Familial Connections of Chronic Conditions
24:54 The Role of Therapy in Managing Chronic Illness
26:24 Closing Thoughts and How to Reach Out for Support

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