The Debate: Israel Gaza - What happens when the war ends?
Nov 19, 2023
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Jeremy Bowen, Daniel Levy, Lord Ricketts, and Ghada Karmi join this podcast to discuss the aftermath of the Israel-Gaza conflict, including the challenges in rebuilding, the potential consequences of removing Hamas leadership, advocating for a one-state solution, creating an equal rights regime, and the need for new leadership to prevent further escalation.
The immediate aftermath of the Israel-Gaza war will present immense challenges, including homelessness, lack of essential services, and the need for humanitarian aid.
Debates around the future of Israel and Palestine discuss the viability of a two-state solution versus a one-state solution, emphasizing the importance of fresh thinking, political leadership, and international involvement.
Deep dives
The Immediate Aftermath and Challenges in Gaza
In the podcast, discussions surround the immediate aftermath of the conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. The panel notes the extensive physical destruction and loss of life that has already occurred and anticipates even more devastation when the war ends. The immediate challenges highlighted include homelessness, lack of healthcare, food, fuel, and water, as well as the urgent need for humanitarian aid. The international community, particularly the Israelis, are urged to support Gaza in rebuilding and providing essential services to its population. The role of the Palestinian Authority and UN agencies is also discussed, emphasizing the need for sustainable solutions rather than short-term fixes.
Exploring the Future Solutions: Two-State or One-State?
The panel discusses the future of Israel and Palestine and debates whether a two-state solution or a one-state solution is more viable. While some panelists still support the two-state solution as the best way to ensure recognition of Palestinian rights and durable security for Israel, others propose a one-state solution, advocating for equal rights and citizenship for both Israelis and Palestinians as a form of democratic governance. The complexities of demographics and concerns about the viability of a Jewish Israeli state are raised as challenges to the one-state solution. The importance of fresh thinking, political leadership, and international involvement, particularly from the United States, is emphasized in driving the long-term resolution of the conflict.
Lessons from History and the Need for a Political Solution
Drawing from historical precedents, the panel highlights the limitations of military operations in resolving political conflicts. The Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 is mentioned as an example of an initially successful military operation that eventually resulted in a vacuum filled by Hezbollah and increased security threats for Israel. It is emphasized that destroying military infrastructure alone does not bring security and that a well-thought-out political solution is essential. The need for fresh thinking, international cooperation, and a regional approach involving Gulf states, moderate Arab states, and potentially even Iran is stressed to address the broader regional repercussions and ensure a sustainable resolution.
The Role of the United States and International Involvement
The podcast acknowledges the influential role of the United States in facilitating a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is suggested that the United States needs to be more engaged and assertive in pushing for political solutions and directly involving itself in the negotiations. The panelists emphasize the importance of American leadership, funding, and diplomatic efforts, highlighting that neglecting the Palestinian issue and relying solely on military approaches have proven ineffective. The need for outside help and collaboration between the United States, Europe, Britain, moderate Arab states, and other international actors is emphasized in bringing visionary leadership and breaking the cycle of violence.
The BBC’s Mishal Husain is joined by a panel of guests to discuss what happens when the Israel Gaza war ends.
On the panel are Jeremy Bowen, BBC International Editor; Daniel Levy, director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at the European Council on Foreign Relations; Lord Ricketts, former chair of the UK’s intelligence committee under Tony Blair and former national security adviser to David Cameron, former national security advisor and chair of the Joint Intelligence Committee; Ghada Karmi, Palestinian academic and author and joining from Washington Evelyn Farkas, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for President Obama.
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