Sadie speaks with singer-songwriter Ryan O’Neal of Sleeping at Last about how having a child shifts your perspective, the dangers of perfectionism, and the ins and outs of the Enneagram. They also get into Ryan’s creative process, letting go, and how writing songs helps him work out questions about faith. John Luke joins the conversation to do a deep dive into all things Enneagram. Ryan has composed music for "The Twilight Saga" and many popular TV shows, and you can check out his work at sleepingatlast.com.
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