02:30 - The Verge's David Pierce talks with tech reporter Mitchell Clark about what it took to get service from Project Genesis and they conclude a FOIA may be the only way to get the facts.

• I became a Dish influencer to get a 5G NFT

20:21- David talks with senior policy reporter Makena Kelly about US lawmakers suddenly discovering that VPNs are a thing that exists and that they aren't very honest about their business practices.

• Lawmakers push FTC to clean up the VPN industry

41:50 - And finally, reviews editor Allison Johnson and news reporter Jon Porter go deep on Nothing Phone — our review, the hype leading up to its launch, and the reality of it now that we got our hands on it.

• Nothing Phone 1 Review
• Hot and Hyped: Inside the strange launch of the Nothing Phone 1

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